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<p>I recently came across a page giving <a class="reference" href="http://www.evolutionpages.com/chromosome_2.htm">evidence for fusion in human
chromosome 2</a> -- it was the first time I had heard about this.  The
conclusion of the article is:</p>
<blockquote>
The evidence that human chromosome 2 is a fusion of two of the
common ancestor's chromosomes is overwhelming.</blockquote>
<p>I searched the web in vain for any creationist response to this--I
only found some creationist skepticism about whether there really were
telomene structures in the middle of the human chromosome (which seems
unjustified), and large numbers of evolutionists doing victory dances.
So I was forced to actually think about it myself (oww, painful!),
taking it on trust for now that the facts presented on the site linked
above are basically correct.  The process was quite helpful to me, and
perhaps might be useful to other people, so here goes.  I'm mainly
looking at this from an explicitly creationist perspective, but some
of this may apply to some intelligent design positions.</p>
<p>The problem with the conclusion, and with much of the discussion, is
that it mingles the evidence with the explanation--so the conclusion,
as stated, <strong>assumes</strong> that there was a common ancestor between apes
and humans, which makes it difficult to use it as <strong>evidence</strong> for a
common ancestor.  To untangle this, let's rewrite the conclusion so
that it no longer makes this assumption:</p>
<blockquote>
The evidence that human chromosome 2 is the fusion of two
chromosomes is overwhelming.  The two chromosomes it appears to
derive from are directly analgous to chromosomes that are found in
apes.</blockquote>
<p>However, once you make this change, an explanation that agrees with
creationist accounts of human ancestry just falls out.  It would go
something like this:</p>
<blockquote>
Humans were created in a separate creative event from the other
primates, but with 24 chromosome pairs just like them.  At some point
early in human history, fusion of the chromosomes occurred to give us
the 23 pairs we have now.  All living humans are descended from those
in which the fusion occurred.</blockquote>
<p>The point is simply this: the evidence points to the fusion of human
chromosomes, but gives no indication when this happened, except that
it must have occurred to a creature that was the ancestor of all
living humans.  Since none of the apes share this fused chromosome,
there is no reason at all to date this fusion any further back than
warranted, so it becomes unnecessary to even posit the existence of a
common ancestor between apes and humans based on this evidence alone.</p>
<p>What is interesting is this: at first glance, looking from an
evolutionary perspective, this seems to have dealt a death blow to
creationist accounts of human origins.  (The main problem for the
creationist is why God would have chosen to create humans with
chromosomes that have useless bits in them i.e. the telomene sequences
in the middle, and in a way that mimics fusion of 2 chromosomes).</p>
<p>But actually, the evolutionary interpretation has overstepped the mark
-- it doesn't demonstrate common ancestry, it assumes it.  All the way
through it talks about the chromosomes of a common ancester etc.  But
by putting the evidence into the evolutionary framework ahead of time
it has confused what the evidence actually points to.  The evidence
<em>does</em> indicate (assuming that the God-created-it-to-look-like-fusion
explanation is invalid) that human chromosomes were once more similar
to those of apes than they are currently, but that is all.</p>

<p>The article also states:</p>

<blockquote>Not only is this strong evidence for a fusion event, but it 
is also strong evidence for common ancestry; in fact, it is hard to explain 
by any other mechanism.</blockquote>

<p>The main basis for saying this appears to be the statement: "At the place where we would expect it on the human chromosome we find the remnants of the chimp 2q centromere".  But of course, as the
author explains later, we don't <em>actually</em> find the chimp 2q centromere -- there
is no label on it saying "I'm a chimp 2q centromere".  What we find is the remnants
of centromere that is in the same place, relative to certain sequences, as the
2q centromere is in chimps.  All this shows is that the ancestor chromosomes (i.e. before the 
fusion event) of current human chromosomes were closely analagous to chromosomes of apes, including chimps.</p>

<p>So the author claims we can rule out other accounts of human origins, 
but is unjustified in doing so.  The reason for this logical mistake is that he/she has
intertwined the evidence and the evolutionary explanation so tightly,
and seen that they fit so well, that the author cannot imagine another
explanation would fit.  In reality, the evidence fits a creationist
explanation <strong>equally well</strong>--there is nothing contrived or tricky
about what I have presented, and if evolutionary theory did not exist,
there is nothing in this evidence that would make creationists think
of common descent.  The idea that humans originally had a <em>complete</em> set
of chromosomes that correspond to ape chromosomes, rather than only 23
out of 24, does not shake creationist ideas one little bit.  We
already knew there was a vast amount of similarity between humans and
primates both in terms of physical characteristics and genetic
material and structure.  It is a mistake of the evolutionary mindest
to assume that observing similarities necessarily brings you to the
conclusion of common descent.  Taxonomy based on physical
characteristics was already a very well established science when the
idea of common descent came on the scene, and people from both the
intelligent design and the creationists camps have no problem in
understanding physical and genetic similarities that are not rooted in
common descent -- that is, it is easy to think of perfectly adequate
reasons why a designer (either an unknown intelligence in the case of
ID, or God in the case of creationism) might have reused designs.</p>
<p>A lesson for both sides to take away is the importance of detaching
yourself from your current position in order to see where the evidence
<em>actually</em> points.  It is easy to imagine that because evidence <em>fits</em>
with your position, and fits very well, it therefore not only confirms
your position but disconfirms the rival theories.</p>
<p>[Note, I realise that I'm likely to get flamed for this entry, as I
have been in the past for the smallest references to things of this
nature. Since this is <em>my</em> blog, and I'm interested in <em>intelligent</em>
debate, and don't want my readers to have to trall through screens of
rubbish,  I will not hesitate to delete comments that are just stupid
and contribute nothing.  I promise not to censor you if you have
something intelligent to say, and I am genuinely interested in any
flaws in my logic or gaps in my knowledge of the evidence.]</p>

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